What if the fourth chapter of the big book, we agnostics had actually been written by atheists and agnostics. According to the big book, when we speak of god, what do we mean. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading the big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. Big book alcoholics anonymous chapter 4 we agnostics pages 44 57. I mean i understood it intellectually, but what i wasnt getting is it god means anything that is outside the self that has the power to healhelpetc. The big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and. If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic. The big book would advise you, however, not to be too perturbed by these references. Mar 27, 2017 a little ditty on the big book of alcoholics anonymous we agnostics. By 1980, there had been about eight studies offered. Find the ones you want and click listen here to hear them on your computer.
The big book of lists for atheists, agnostics, and secular. The final point is that belief in god, acceptance of christ, and study of the. Throughout the big book atheists and agnostics are portrayed as people who need to be convinced to open their minds to the idea of having a personal relationship with god. The individual sections of this study guide material reflect ideas, emotions and attitudes you might hear from the. Big book workbook is for those who are willing to grow along spiritual lines 60. We wish to make the 12 steps of alcoholics anonymous part of our. In its chapter, we agnostics, the big book outlines its attitude toward. M download it once and read it on your kindle device, pc, phones or tablets. Reading guide for we agnostics amethyst recovery center. It is dedicated to those who want recovery from alcoholism, but have difficulty with the word god.
Recorded live during a big book study over 27 weeks during winterspring 201516 by tim b. We agnostics, a playlist by the big book study from desktop or your mobile device. Taken from the book alcoholics anonymous frequently called the big book. I admit that i am powerless over alcoholthat my life has. I think this chapter gets ignored quite often, especially by members that feel theyve got a good grasp of the faith business, but it helped me a great deal when i.
By the very act of critiquing chapter 4, we agnostics, i admittedly commit aa heresy. Chapter 4 we agnostics page 41 notice the asterisk at the bottom of the page. We agnostics assignment we have covered the first and second components of the disease of alcoholism. Our goal is to study the steps as a friendly, focused group, and work them as the authors of the big book described. Chapter 4 of the big book, we agnostics, in which bill w argues that recovery requires belief in god, is an insulting mishmash. We who study the aa big book do not hold this to be true. Our chief responsibility to the newcomer is an adequate presentation of the program home. This page is dedicated to the recordings that took place beginning with the 80th anniversary of the big books publishing. Aug 19, 20 this is a long chapter, but like the rest of the big book, the ideas are simple and straightforward. If we are to accept our disease and learn to overcome it, we must accept that. Episodes experience the big book aa big book study.
The purpose of this study guide is to enable the student to better understand the information the authors of the book, alcoholics anonymous, intended to impart to each of us based on their experience and knowledge of alcoholism and their program of recovery. This big book provides you with over 150 lists for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. This is how i imagine it could have been in the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. A little ditty on the big book of alcoholics anonymous we. In its chapter, we agnostics, the big book outlines its attitude toward spiritual and religious matters. We have a new site come and check us out thursday night big book study. He genuinely believed that he had a spiritual experience granted by god, and it was his sincere view that this experience was absolutely necessary to recover from alcoholism.
In this part of the alcoholics anonymous big book study, joe and charlie discuss the chapter we agnostics this series of talks came about. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholic problems and explain our fellowship. We agnostics is the fourth chapter of alcoholics anonymous, or the fifth if you include the doctors opinion. Mike presents a big book study podcast and thoughts on recovery. We agnostics aa big book chapter 4 aa big book big book of aa alcoholics anonymous doctors opinion how it works aa preamble alcoholism recovery 4th edition 3rd edition 2nd edition alcohol allergy rehabilitation of alcoholics dr.
This is the third time we have been referred to appendix ii spiritual experience. In this part of the alcoholics anonymous big book study, joe and charlie discuss the chapter we agnostics this series of talks came about from a friendship that started in alcoholics anonymous. To this end, my critique of we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book and lifejs logical fallacies of the big book have been published and others are in progress. I guess i was a bit of a fundamentalist at the time and feared that it wouldnt. Aa speakers joe and charlie we agnostics the big book.
What if the fourth chapter of the big book,we agnostics had actually been written by atheists and agnostics. In doing so, the big book also presents a method by which readers can investigate theological questions for themselves. At this point, before we move on, id like to point out how carefully step two is worded. Aa speaker turn our will and our lives over to the care of god new 20 duration. Alcoholism12 step support a perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book im not going for this god stuff. How could there possibly be a god when there are so many starving people and wars where everybody says god is on their side. That is what the authors of the big book and millions before you did. During any such meeting to study the aa big book, you would expect to encounter a wide variety of viewpoints on the portions under consideration. We hope we have made clear the distinction between the alcoholic and the nonalcoholic. Big book workshop we agnostics big book step study.
It is dedicated to those who want recovery from alcoholism, but. Includes free pdf downloads that go along with each weekly lesson. Aa cofounder bill wilson wrote we agnostics in an attempt to address the issue. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholicproblems and explain our fellowship.
May 21, 2008 in its chapter, we agnostics, the big book outlines its attitude toward spiritual and religious matters. Four short years before writing this chapter, the principal author, bill w. This is the heart of the big book, the chapter that introduces the twelve steps of alcoholics anonymous, and is so revered that it is read to open. Joe and charlie tapes download mp3 format toledo aa meetings. This page is dedicated to the recordings that took place beginning with the 80th anniversary of the big book s publishing. It sounds like they are trying to convert me to something. Agnostics pages 44 through 57 chapter 4, we agnostics, is truly a remarkable piece of writing. Words contained within the first 164 pages of the big book. The big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists kindle edition by probulos, i. In the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. Find the latest 30 episodes below grouped by the day of the week they were recorded. This is a long chapter, but like the rest of the big book, the ideas are simple and straightforward.
The individual sections of this study guide material reflect ideas, emotions and attitudes you might hear from the mouth of that old timer over in the corner. I also dont approve of the big book saying i dont know who god is. One of many good places to begin is in alcoholics anonymous aka the big book, specifically chapter 4, we agnostics. It is the basic text of the fellowship of alcoholics anonymous, and has helped large numbers of alcoholic men and women, young and old, recover. A perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book.
Apr 11, 2019 an aa taper made a four tape set of their presentation and called it the big book study. To personalize the step for your study and action in the here and now, however, you may wish to rephrase it as. A comprehensive alcoholics anonymous big book study with aa speaker howard e. Then why does the chaptor we agnostics insinuate were all agnostic till we find out who god is in our lives and we have to have a spiritual awakening. Aa speaker by the big book study published on 20171128t16. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholicproblems and. This is the audio version of the fourth edition of the big book, the basic text for alcoholics anonymous. Still others are threatened by the religious language of the big book and. Chapter 4 we agnostics this chapter explains the atheist and the believer and how some us came to believe in a power greater than. We suggest you follow along in your own 4th edition big book and take notes as you listen to the audio.
Mar 08, 2018 to this end, my critique of we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book and lifejs logical fallacies of the big book have been published and others are in progress. The goal is to have very concise lists with about 10 key items concerning science, religion, faith, evolution, and nonbelief. A compilation of recordings from a 28 week big book workshop. This book has more lists and some of them have been expanded to include as many as 100 items. We agnostics in the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. And it means, of course, that we are going to talk about god. Eda big book ch 4 we agnostics, atheists, and believers eating. The first 164 pages of the big book with lined blank pages opposite each page of text for note taking. Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Please be sure to read appendix ii about the spiritual experience. I think this chapter gets ignored quite often, especially by members that feel theyve got a good grasp of the faith business, but it helped me a great deal when i was trying to wrap my brain around step 2. We agnostics chapter of the big book religious forums. The word broken down from greek is, a meaning without, and gnosis meaning knowledge.
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